Saturday, October 1, 2011

At three the trinity?

Tonight my Man of the woods trying to be silly, "God thank You for being God." 

Me, "I'm thankful for that too."

"Really, why?"

"Well, what if we had a really mean God that liked to see us hurt?"

Man of the woods gave me that I've never thought of that, "Well is there a God that's mean?"

"No son, there is but one God.  A God that only loves us and is always ready to help us."

"Momma, there are two Gods, Jesus and God."

In my mind I'm going oh great this is the moment when he'll think that I am crazy and never believe a single word I say ever again.  With a quick prayer begging for wisdom and protection of his tender heart, "Did you know that water and ice are made of the same thing?"

Eyes full of wonder, "Noooo."

"Yep, it's true.  But ice is always cold and you can hold it.  Can you hold water?"


Feeling a little more confident about this conversation, "You can't hold water it slips right through your fingers.  Ice you can hold but is always cold.  Those two things are made out of the same stuff.  God and Jesus are like that too.  God made the whole world (As I'm waving my arm in a circle).  Jesus has a Mommy like us and when we get to heaven we can touch Him (As I gently pinch his arm), but they are like water and ice they're made of the same stuff."

My small man with a mind far exceeding his age responded with, "Wow!"

So we practiced for a little while repeating the words and motions: 
Water you can't hold.
Ice is always cold.
God made the world.
Jesus has a Mommy.

Son would you like to know something else?

"Oh yes Mommy!"

"Did you know that steam is made of the same stuff that water and ice are made of?  Steam is always hot and can burn us.  Just like there are three parts to water.  There are three parts to God.  God who made the world.  Jesus who has a Mommy and the Holy spirit that wants to live inside of us.  He's like steam too because we can feel Him.  When you do something bad do you feel good?"


"Well, that's the Holy Spirit saying Man of the woods don't do that.  Or when you do something that makes God happy and feel good inside that's the Holy Spirit saying Man of the woods good job!"

"Momma do you have the Holy Spirit inside of you?  Do I?  Does Daddy?  Does Laughter."

"Yes to all but Laughter.  He has asked God to come in."

"Is the Holy Spirit the one who knocks wanting to come in?"

"Son you've got it!  Guess what else is really cool about the Holy Spirit?  Once you've invited Him in He promised to always be with you.  He will never leave you!  When you sleep at night is Mommy and Daddy with you?  Nope, we're in our bedroom sleeping.  But the Holy Spirit can never leave and is always with you.  That's why you can always pray because He can always hear you."


"So let's do this again Bud.:
Water you can't hold.
Ice is always cold.
Steam can burn you-OUCH!
God made the whole world. (With big arm circles.)
Jesus has a Mommy. (With gentle pinches.)
The Holy Spirit lives inside of you. (Pointing to his heart.)"

After doing this a bunch of times and a bit more conversation, his eyes shine with that I've got it, It's mine look.  He begins to ask me another question.  But this Momma couldn't handle any more deep conversation so I gave him a kiss told him how much I enjoyed our talk but that was enough for tonight.  He responded with, "So did I.  I love you!"

My prayer for these two boys that Lord has given me-"In the fear of the LORD there is strong confidence and his children will have refuge" ~ Proverbs 14:26

1057.  Heart conversations that blow my mind with my three year old.


  1. Greetings

    It is so wonderful to train up a child in the way of the Lord.
    Simply wonderful, especially in light of Deut 6.4-7

    (Deu 6:4-7) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

    The above is the Jewish creedal statement (which the Jews call The Shema) which defines who their GOD is.
    Jesus, himself, the Messiah, quotes this verse as the foremost (first) of all the commandments in Mark 12:28-34.

    My point is: have you noticed that in this creedal statement which is Jesus' creed (therefore, as Christians, followers of Christ, this ought to be our creed);
    there is no room for a trinity?

    Note the scribe's response:
    (Mark 12:32) And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

    It is obvious then, that neither Jesus nor the scribe were trinitarian.

    If Jesus was never taught such a concept as the trinity when he was a child in light of Deut 6.4-7 (the first of all the commandments), then is it right that we teach such things to children??
    Surely we ought not to!

    Jesus' creed stipulates that GOD is ONE i.e. ONE Being, ONE Person, for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

    Jesus identifies his Father as
    the only true GOD.
    [John 17.3]
    Paul concurs ...

    (1 Cor 8:4) ... that there is none other God but one.
    (1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; ...

    Thus, there is solely ONE GOD,
    the Father.

    Your dear Man of the woods can easily understand this.
    Indeed, this was the understanding of the early church:
    TO US there is but one God, the Father

    This teaching is indeed foundational for a child's understanding of GOD; i.e.
    the fact that GOD is ONE & this ONE GOD is the Father;
    indeed, the GOD & Father of our
    Lord Jesus Christ.
    [2 Cor 11.31, Eph 1.3, Col 1.3, 1 Pet 1.3]

    Therefore, I encourage you, as a truthseeker, to consider the difference between Jesus' creed and what you are sharing with your dear Man of the woods!

    For more info on this subject,
    I recommend this video:
    The Human Jesus

    Take a couple of hours to watch it; and prayerfully it will aid you in your quest for truth.

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor

  2. Adam,

    Thank you for stopping by. I too stopped by your blog and read a few posts including, Tuesday, October 04, 2011,"WHO IS JESUS FOR DUMMIES By Juan Baixeras". I could not find a place to comment, so I'm hoping you'll stop by here again.

    Deut. chapter 6 is in my mind a key part of scripture for any mother trying her best to raise godly men. In fact Man of the woods and I just this past week memorized verse 4. Very important.

    However, after reading your post and some consideration, I stand by my faith and conviction of the trinity. Although it is always good to go back and make certain that my doctrine is truly my convictions and not something that I blindly follow.

    As Paul says in Romans that it is good for us all to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, which I think is obvious that you and I both do that. I trust that the Spirit will lead us both in the path He chooses.

    Drop by anytime.

    In the LORD our God,

  3. Dear Shandy

    Did you get to watch the video?
    If so, what did you think?

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor
    The Human Jesus